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Hat Pelletheizung eine Zukunft?

Lohnt es sich auf eine Pelletheizung umzustellen? Oder sollte man lieber beim altbewerten bleiben?

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Re: Hat Pelletheizung eine Zukunft?

Es ist zwar erst einmal ne ziemlich große Investition aber eine die sich sicherlich lohnt. Habe mich auch schon über solch eine Anschaffung nachgedacht. Würde bei mir aber erst infrage kommen, wenn ich mir eine neue Heizung anschaffen muss.

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11-05-2006 14:04:46

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Re: Hat Pelletheizung eine Zukunft?

Bei den heutigen Preisen lohnt es sich auf jeden Fall. Du solltest vielleicht über eine Kombination von Heizöl und Pellets nachdenken, dass wäre so meine ich sogar noch besser.

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28-06-2006 21:45:44

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Re: Hat Pelletheizung eine Zukunft?

Also : Pelletsheizungen haben auf alle Fälle eine große Zukunft. Wir ( 2 Erwachsene, 2 Kinder ), haben vom Februar 2005-2006 etwas über 4000 Liter Heizöl verheizt, bei einer Hausgröße von 200 Q2- Definitiv zu viel. Wir haben rund 2500 Euro ausgegeben - ein kleines Vermögen, wie jeder bestätigen wird. Also fing ich an, mich mit dem Thema Pellets zu beschäftigen - folgendes kam - auch durch Bestätigung eines Energieberaters raus : Pelletsheizung mit 20 Kw - Solaranlage auf dem Dach mit 6m2 Größe für Heizungsunterstützung + Warmwasserbereitung. Danach kam die Planungsphase, sprich, Angebote einholen. Die meisten Angebote, 5 insgesammt, bewegten sich in der Größenordnung von 19000 Euro, reichlich viel. Aber : 2 Angebote lagen deutlich darunter, nämlich bei knapp 17000 Euro - allen Leistungen inklusive. Dazu kommt noch die Kfw Förderung, bei Pelletsheizungen und Solar liegt diese bei rund 2500 Euro - also eine Investition von 14500.

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Re: Hat Pelletheizung eine Zukunft?

Teil 2 : Soviel zu den Preisen - jetzt zu den Vorteilen : 1000 Liter Öl entsprechen 2000 Kilo Pellets. Für 4000 Liter Öl bezahle ich nach wie vor runde 2500 Euro, ich checke Täglich die Preise. Für 8 Tonnen Pellets würde ich - nur - beim Aktuellen Tagespreis 1200-1250 Euro bezahlen, jeder kann sich also ausrechnen, wie schnell sich die Investition amortisiert. Außerdem bringt die Solaranlage auch noch einiges an Einsparungen, selbst bei unseren Sommern, die nicht so extrem heiß sind.
So, das war mal eine Kleinigkeit zum nachdenken, hoffe, das ich einige Anregungen geben konnte.
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Re: Hat Pelletheizung eine Zukunft?

Ich hatte auch vor eine Pelletsheizung einzubauen. Wollte die MWSt-Erhöhung noch vermeiden.
Eine aktuelle Rechnung zeigt aber:

3000 Liter Heizöl kosten (Stand: 14.7.) 1920 Euro
6000 kg Pellets (Stand 14.7. )              1431 Euro
macht eine jähriche Einsparung von       489 Euro

Bei Investitionskosten von Minimum! 15000 Euro ergibt sich eine Amortisationszeit von 31 Jahren!
Klar - Heizöl steigt weiter, aber die Pelletspreise sind die letzten Monate explodiert und steigen immer noch...
Wäre meine Heizung defekt und eine neue müsste ran würde ich umstellen. Aber solange der alte
Kessel noch prima und ohne Beanstandungen läuft lasse ich es bleiben, beobachte die weitere Entwicklung und stecke das Geld lieber in eine Wärmedämmung. Solaranlage für Warmwasser habe ich schon.

Ich halte die Pelletshersteller für - ähm vorsichtig ausgedrückt - kurzsichtig.
Die machen sich den Markt kaputt bevor er sich entwickelt hat. Übrigens in Österreich wo die Pelletsheizungen stärker verbreitet sind, ist der Pelletspreis noch höher...

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Re: Hat Pelletheizung eine Zukunft?

Wo bestellst du denn deine Pellets ?
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Re: Hat Pelletheizung eine Zukunft?

Edit : Schaue grade auf N-tv Nachrichten, 1 Barrel Öl kostet jetzt 77 Dollar. Kannst du dir vorstellen, wie sich das auf den Aktuellen Ölpreis auswirkt ?
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Re: Hat Pelletheizung eine Zukunft?

Hmm, ist ja lange kein Beitrag mehr geschrieben worden... wie wäre es denn heute mal mit einem Preisvergleich Öl - Pellets? Hat zufällig gerade jemand Pellets bestellt?

3000 l Heizöl Standard kosten heute 1577,94, was kosten denn 6000 kg Pellets?

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Re: Hat Pelletheizung eine Zukunft?

Jetzt hat mir mein Heizungsbauer erzählt, dass eine Pelletsheizung nach spätestens 10 bis 15 Jahren ausgetauscht werden muß, d.h. nochmal 17.000 EUR investieren. Ausserdem hat die Ärztevereinigung Österreich, wo es schon seit vielen Jahren Pelletsheizungen gibt, eine Studie veröffentlicht (Sendung PlusMinus ARD, Feb 2007), in der sie über massive gesundheitliche Schäden, durch die schädlichen Abgase einer Pelletsheizung, berichten.
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Re: Hat Pelletheizung eine Zukunft?

Saddy schrieb:

Hmm, ist ja lange kein Beitrag mehr geschrieben worden... wie wäre es denn heute mal mit einem Preisvergleich Öl - Pellets? Hat zufällig gerade jemand Pellets bestellt?

3000 l Heizöl Standard kosten heute 1577,94, was kosten denn 6000 kg Pellets?

ca 1500€ ( die Tonne 250€ incl MwSt und Anliefergebühr)

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09-06-2007 18:10:38

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Re: Hat Pelletheizung eine Zukunft?

Derweil bin ich mir auch nicht mehr sooo sicher, was Pellets Heizungen angeht - mich stören mich schon einige Sachen -  Die stark gestiegenen Pelletspreise, die auch nicht mehr so fallen, und die Tatsache, das der Wirkungsgrad der Heizungen - laut den Aussagen mehrerer Schornsteinfeger nicht so wahnsinnig prickelnd ist. Außerdem ist die Qualität der Pellets in vielen Fällen sehr fragwürdig. In unserer Gegend gibt es nur 2 Pellets Händler : Knauber in Bonn und die Westerwälder Holzpellets - letztere sind im Forum bekannt, leider nicht sehr positiv. Außerdem ist der Anschaffungspreis schon heftig, jetzt, nach einigen Angeboten mehr, liegt das beste so auf 13000 Euro, das ist sehr viel mehr, als eine gute Öl - Brennwert Heizung kostet. Jetzt - im Moment - tendiere ich mehr zu einer guten Gebäudeisolierung, und vielleicht - irgendwann.......aber NICHT in der nächsten Zukunft, werde ich, wenn Öl zu teuer, und Pellets einen gleichbleibend hohen Standard wie Heizöl hat, werde ich eine Pelletsheizung installieren.
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23-07-2007 16:55:00

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Re: Hat Pelletheizung eine Zukunft?

Wir haben auch mal überlegt eine Pelletheizung einzubauen. Was bei uns dagegen sprach, sind zum einen die sehr hohen Anschaffungskosten, wir kamen auch auf etwas 20 Jahre bis sie sich amortisiert hätte. Dann kommt hinzu, die Pelletheizung will regelmässig gereinigt werden, uns sagte man, um einen Störungsfreien Verlauf zu gewährleisten, sollte man sie alle 6 Wochen reinigen. Was soll denn so etwas, selbst wenn es alle 8 Wochen ist, ist das noch zu oft. Unsere Ölheizung wird einmal im Jahr gewartet und läuft.... Im Hinblick auf die Feinstaub-Diskussion, die Pellets werden bestimmt auch auf längere Sicht noch mit Steuern belastet und dann geht die Rechnung niemals mehr auf. Das waren für uns genug Gründe, bei unserer Heizung zu bleiben... Hoffe, mein Beitrag hilft dem einen oder anderen vor der Überlegung...
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Re: Hat Pelletheizung eine Zukunft?

Nun ja, jetzt stecken wir alle in einer Zwickmühle. Heizöl ist wahnsinnig teuer, und ein Preisanstieg bzw, ein gleichbleibend hoher Ölpreis so  um die 90 Dollar pro Barrel ist wahrscheinlich. Jetzt, in diesem Moment würde ich wohl eine Pelletsheizung kaufen, aber nur dann, wenn die Feinstaubwerte stimmen würden. Ansonsten ist eine gute Hausisolierung unerläßlich, ohne diese sinkt der Primärenergieverbrauch nicht, und man muß genausoviel Pellets wie Heizöl ordern, was auch nicht Sinn der Sache sein kann.

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Re: Hat Pelletheizung eine Zukunft?

Ganz ehrlich, wenn sich eine Pelletheizung nach 20 Jahren amortisiert hätte, dann ist das ein angenehmer Nebeneffekt, denn der Barrelpreis liegt nicht mehr bei 90 Dollar, sondern lumpige 6 Monate später bei 150 Dollar. Amortisierung jetzt nach ..? und nächstes Jahr ? und wieviel Öl liefert Mutter Erde überhaupt noch in 20 Jahren.

Ich werde wohl doch bei Baumkauf.de einsteigen, es macht schon Sinn in einen sicher vorhandenen Rohstoff zu investieren, als Spekulationen zu unterstützen auf ein Produkt dessen tatsächliches Vorhandensein allein reine Spekulation ist.

Würde mich freuen, wenn Ihr eure Meinungen nach den jüngsten Preisentwicklungen nochmals äußert.

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09-07-2008 18:15:52

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Re: Hat Pelletheizung eine Zukunft?

Nun ja ! Es gibt genug für und wieder - allerdings mehr dafür. Der Rohstoff Pellets ist - noch - billig - und wird das voraussichtlich auch so bleiben. Im Gegensatz zum Heizöl gibt es viele Anbieter, Wettbewerb ist also gewährleistet. Allerdings : Die Pelletsindustrie rechnet dieses Jahr mit 50000 - 70000 neuen Pelletsheizungen. Diese werden zum größten Teil in Bestandsbauten eingebaut. Diese Häuser sind meistens schlecht bis überhaupt nicht gedämmt. Fazit : Nur der Primärenergieträger wird gewechselt, der Verbrauch wird aber nicht wirklich reduziert, von der Tatsache mal abgesehen, das neue Heizungen besser im Wirkungsgrad sind als alte. Die Folge : Immer mehr Leute steigen um, der Verbrauch von Pellets im allgemeinen wird steigen - der Preis natürlich auch. Mein persönliches Fazit : Mit einer guten Rundumdämmung läßt sich der Primärenergieverbrauch des Hauses senken. Die Wahl des Energieträgers wird da - fast - zweitrangig, da der Verbrauch locker um 30 -40 % sinkt. Ist natürlich auch teuer, Fassadendämmung kostet locker 70 € den Qm2, oder noch mehr....... aber : Es macht schon einen Unterschied, ob ich sagen wir mal 7 Tonnen Pellets durch den Kamin blase, oder nur 3.

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Re: Hat Pelletheizung eine Zukunft?

Hallo,
wir haben vor 4 Jahren eine Pelletsheizung von Biotherm eingebaut. Vorher hatten wir immer Ölverbrauch von ca. 3500l, jetzt brauchen wir gut 6 Tonnen Pellets. Die Heizung hat inkl. Schornsteinsanierung und Pelletsvorratsraum ca. 18.000€ gekostet. Wir haben aber Förderung bekommen und in den 4 Jahren im Vergleich zum Heizölkauf schon ca. 4000 Euro eingespart. Ich habe meine Erfahrungen auch mal unter folgendem Link zusammengefasst: http://www.expli.de/anleitung/pelletsheizung-gut-fuer-umwelt-geldbeutel-859/

@Regina: Grundsätzlich gebe ich dir recht, dass eine Rundumdämmung nicht schlecht ist. Bei uns ist es aber so, dass die Ersparnis an Kosten für nicht benötigte Pellets bei einer Rundumdämmung die dafür nötigen Kosten erst in 30-40 Jahren amortisiert. Ich rechne auch nicht damit, dass der Pelletspreis die nächsten Jahre stark steigen wird, da grundsätzlich noch sehr viel Kapazität des Rohstoffs Holz ungenützt in den Wäldern liegt (wir besitzen selber Wald und deshalb weiß ich, wieviel Holz dort ungenutzt verrottet). Einzig die Produktionskapaziäteten für Pellets könnten ein Problem sein, werden aber wie 2007 geschehen, bei erhöhter Nachfrage auch sehr schnell nachgebaut. Das geht viel schneller, als eine neue Ölraffinerie zu bauen.

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24-11-2010 14:33:05

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Re: Hat Pelletheizung eine Zukunft?

Die Frage ist halt, wie sich die Preise für Pellets in den nächsten Jahren entwickeln. Bin mir da nicht so sicher, ob es da nicht weitere Preissteigerungen gibt.

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29-11-2010 10:54:38

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Re: Hat Pelletheizung eine Zukunft?

Ich habe erst vor 2 Wochen mit einem bekannten der Fa. Buderus gesprochen. Pelletheizungen werden kaum noch abgesetzt. Von der Wirtschaftlichkeit können diese angeblich kaum noch mit modernen Öl- und Gasbrennwertanlagen mithalten.

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26-12-2010 23:59:49

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Re: Hat Pelletheizung eine Zukunft?

Na, da hat wohl einer mal grade ins Blaue gegriffen, man sollte nicht nur den Kaufpreis einer Pelletsheizung sehen, sondern auch den laufenden Unterhalt berechnen, sowas nennt man Vollkostenvergleich. Nur mal so als Beispiel : Eine Pelletsheizung kostet mit allem Drum und Dran um die 20 Tausend Euro, inklusive Öltankentsorgung, Lagererstellung, und dergleichen mehr. Eine Ölbrennwertheizung, das habe ich mir jetzt mal anbieten lassen, kostet - inlusive Tankreinigung - im günstigsten Angebot knapp 12 tausend Euro.. also kein großartiger Unterschied, gelle ? Nur mit dem Unterschied, das Öl - wenigstens im Moment - um den Faktor 2 Teurer, die Tonne Pellets kommt bei uns in der Gegend auf 200 Euro, 500 Liter Öl laut Ölbestellung.de über 400... das sagt im Bezug auf die Gesamtkosten doch schon einiges aus, oder ?

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Re: Hat Pelletheizung eine Zukunft?

Ich bin auch der Meinung, dass man sowohl den Kaufpreis und die laufenden Kosten einer Pelletsheizung in Betracht ziehen muss bevor man sie mit einer Ölheizung vergleichen kann. Erst dann kann man sehen was sich auf lange Sicht gesehen auszahlt. Ich persönlich bin eher ein Befürworter der Pelletsheizung da es meines Erachtens einfach Umweltfreundlicher ist als wie mit Öl zu heizen. Es gibt viele Haushalte und Hausanbieter die auf Pelletsheizung umgestiegen sind. Zumindest in meinem Umfeld, kann auch ein Zufall sein ;)

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30-04-2011 19:43:33

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Re: Hat Pelletheizung eine Zukunft?

Ich habe insgesammt 8 Heizungsbauer, 6 aus unserer Gegend, und 2 aus Bonn, die ich persönlich kenne, die sagten mir alle übereinstimmend, das es in unserer Gegend nicht viele Pelletsheizungen gibt, die hohen Anschaffungskosten und auch Schornsteinfegerkosten schrecken wohl sehr ab.

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Re: Hat Pelletheizung eine Zukunft?

Weder eine Ölheizung noch eine Pellet /Hackschnitzelheitzung haben Zukunft.

Öl wird irgentwann alle sein, Zwar nicht in 20 Jahren sondern eher in 170 Jahren (Bei heutigen Verbrauch) Aber wo soll das ganze Holz herkommen ?

Hacken wir jetzt unsere grüne Lunge ab um zu heizen ? Deutschland hat nicht mal so viel Holz um EIN Bundesland EINEN Winter  mit Holz zu versorgen. Und ich Meine den Gesamten Bestand an Bäumen und Sträuchern.

Wer die Geschichte mit dem CO2 Glaubt hat in der Schule nicht aufgepasst ! Bei einer Verbrennung wird das CO2 freigesetzt das der Baum gespeichert hat + das CO2 das bei der Verbrennung entsteht.

2008 haben wir uns noch Gedanken gemacht wie wir CO2 Speichern können um die Klimaerwärmung stoppen zu können , jetzt setzen die Holzheizungen in der BRD Soviel CO2 täglich zusätzlich frei wie der gesamte Regenwald in 3 Monaten speichern kann (Juhu wir vergasen uns selbst)

Jetzt Kommt sicher "Das ist ein Öllobist)  Nein auch ich weiß es kann so nicht weitergehen.

ÖL / GAS ist nicht unendlich ( Obwohl immer mehr Forscher daran Glauben das ÖL und Gas  sich nicht nur durch Organische prozesse entstehen)

wir brauchen neue Quellen 

Doch noch ist Energie zu billig so das eine Forschung sich wohl nicht lohnt

Es gab schon immer Holzheizungen und wird sie immer geben. aber sie ist keine alternative für die Allgemeinheit

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17-01-2013 03:25:29

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Re: Hat Pelletheizung eine Zukunft?

Wo bestellst du denn deine Pellets ?

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